| eekim |
Hey Mike. Got a sec? (01)
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2003-06-08 10:22:54 |
| mmell |
hi what's up? (02)
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2003-06-08 10:23:43 |
| eekim |
Ryan tried to upload some pictures to the site, and he got an out-of-disk space error. It was a 15MB file. Could you check the disk space situation? (03)
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2003-06-08 10:24:23 |
| mmell |
ok (04)
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2003-06-08 10:24:47 |
| eekim |
Thanks. (05)
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2003-06-08 10:25:08 |
| anselm3 |
hey mikel (06)
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2003-06-08 11:12:28 |
| Jay |
morin' plogger (07)
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2003-06-08 11:36:44 |
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mikel, how was Tibbs' presentation?
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2003-06-08 11:37:32 |
| anselm3 |
he was watching cantor (08)
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2003-06-08 11:38:52 |
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i saw tibbs stuff
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2003-06-08 11:38:55 |
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he got a standing ovation at the end - people were quite moved
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2003-06-08 11:39:05 |
| Jay |
Canter's presentation was good (09)
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2003-06-08 11:39:41 |
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he got two rounds of applaud at the end
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2003-06-08 11:39:50 |
| anselm3 |
i finally understood cantor :-) run into him a lot but never really heard him talk about his interests. (010)
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2003-06-08 11:41:58 |
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btw most of us tend to hang out on infoanarchy - even if planetwork is the official irc channel
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2003-06-08 11:42:35 |
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jay, you are watching earthscope?
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2003-06-08 11:43:18 |
| Jay |
I am in digital bill of rights (011)
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2003-06-08 11:43:58 |
| anselm3 |
ah (012)
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2003-06-08 11:44:19 |
| Jay |
is infoanarchy on freenode too? (013)
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2003-06-08 11:44:20 |
| anselm3 |
yes (014)
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2003-06-08 11:44:23 |
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while i do admire a lot of the discussion about say new social models, new currencies, clarifying rights...
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2003-06-08 11:44:43 |
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i tend to strongly favor simply better models for humans... i'm more of an engelbert afficionado
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2003-06-08 11:45:02 |
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better living through digital prosthetics
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2003-06-08 11:45:14 |
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in that light whats going on here in the center is pretty much what i came to the conf to see
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2003-06-08 11:45:36 |
| eekim |
Hey Anselm. Who are the infoanarc folks? (015)
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2003-06-08 12:05:24 |
| anselm3 |
good question (016)
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2003-06-08 12:07:31 |
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tends to be a kind of small geeky community of hardcore hackers...
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2003-06-08 12:08:14 |
| eekim |
Perhaps I should ask: Are there other PlaNetwork attendees who have been hanging out on infoanarc? (017)
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2003-06-08 12:08:18 |
| anselm3 |
schulyer, mikel, dav, ben discoe, others... (018)
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2003-06-08 12:08:37 |
| eekim |
Cool. (019)
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2003-06-08 12:08:55 |
| anselm3 |
schuler does free networks; mesh networks (020)
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2003-06-08 12:08:59 |
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mike does http://www.brainoff.com/geoblog
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2003-06-08 12:09:05 |
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dav does http://blogosphere.headmap.org
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2003-06-08 12:09:11 |
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ben does vterrain
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2003-06-08 12:09:16 |
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the conversation can be dismissive, raucous - basically a bunch of hackers hanging out having fun
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2003-06-08 12:09:39 |
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joshua also - does http://geourl.org
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2003-06-08 12:09:55 |
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can't say it is really a serious forum but it is just fun to talk to people with similar interests
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2003-06-08 12:10:09 |
| eekim |
That sounds cool. (021)
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2003-06-08 12:10:20 |
| anselm3 |
yeah (022)
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2003-06-08 12:10:24 |
| eekim |
Btw: I'm doing a collaboratory wrapup at 4:30pm in the main ballroom. (023)
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2003-06-08 12:10:38 |
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I'd love to see people who have been hanging out on this channel show up.
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2003-06-08 12:10:48 |
| anselm3 |
cool (024)
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2003-06-08 12:10:52 |
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yeah i have to bail myself
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2003-06-08 12:10:57 |
| eekim |
Good opportunity to match up some faces with names before this conference ends. (025)
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2003-06-08 12:10:59 |
| anselm3 |
but most of those other guys will probably be there (026)
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2003-06-08 12:11:04 |
| eekim |
Sorry to hear that. (027)
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2003-06-08 12:11:10 |
| anselm3 |
i am really hoping to see more of a focus on the actual data and knowledge not just the visualization (028)
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2003-06-08 12:11:20 |
| eekim |
What do you mean? (029)
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2003-06-08 12:11:33 |
| anselm3 |
most of these map engines display static or frozen knowledge (030)
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2003-06-08 12:11:50 |
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greenmaps is probably closest to representing a grass roots community vision
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2003-06-08 12:12:02 |
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but even so - it is not representing what is happening _today_
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2003-06-08 12:12:17 |
| eekim |
So what you're asking is, how do we make sure that the knowledge stores are dynamic and well-organized so that the visualizations are up-to-date and meaningful? (031)
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2003-06-08 12:12:59 |
| anselm3 |
even google tend to capture old knowledge - not really the transient emphera... (032)
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2003-06-08 12:13:02 |
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even more so... let me give you an example
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2003-06-08 12:13:13 |
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http://www.brainoff.com/geoblog/dymaxion.html
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2003-06-08 12:13:37 |
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this is a _realtime_ map visualization of blogging as it is going on around the world ( courtesy of Mikel Maron)
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2003-06-08 12:13:57 |
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it is more open than anything being shown here at the conference today
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2003-06-08 12:14:16 |
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not only is the source open but the data itself is owned by people on their own machines and Mikels aggregator is simply collecting and presenting that data
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2003-06-08 12:14:46 |
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what makes this possible is a shift in the way the internet is being used
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2003-06-08 12:15:02 |
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now we see rss feeds as a semi-structured way of organizing personal knowledge
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2003-06-08 12:15:19 |
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this reduces the need for a "service" or a "server" to host the knowledge, and reduces the chance that a community can be held hostage to a knowledge provider
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2003-06-08 12:15:42 |
| mikel |
hey (033)
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2003-06-08 12:15:53 |
| anselm3 |
boo! (034)
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2003-06-08 12:15:55 |
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speak of the devil
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2003-06-08 12:16:01 |
| eekim |
Mikel, did you speak this weekend? (035)
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2003-06-08 12:16:12 |
| mikel |
for example -- would be cool to plot dear_raed on these iraq maps (036)
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2003-06-08 12:16:14 |
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dearraed being the baghdad blogger
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2003-06-08 12:16:44 |
| anselm3 |
i still feel that jim fournier does not _really_ appreciate what a radical shift services such as mikels represent. (037)
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2003-06-08 12:16:52 |
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even though mikels demo is fairly simple, it represents a different kind of way of organizing and sharing human knowledge
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2003-06-08 12:17:15 |
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one where the intelligence is pushed to the edges of the network
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2003-06-08 12:17:24 |
| mikel |
get computers on the ground in iraq, map what's happening to the people there (038)
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2003-06-08 12:17:28 |
| eekim |
How would you characterize Jim's vision? (039)
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2003-06-08 12:17:57 |
| mikel |
heh, not worthy (040)
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2003-06-08 12:18:10 |
| anselm3 |
i think jim does see the visualization and sharing of geospatial knowledge as important (041)
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2003-06-08 12:18:14 |
| mikel |
eekim, i've been exclusively audience (042)
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2003-06-08 12:18:31 |
| anselm3 |
but the recent emergence of blogging and rss has implications about how to actually accumulate that knowledge that simply are not well understood yet (043)
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2003-06-08 12:18:42 |
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i can give you a better example
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2003-06-08 12:18:47 |
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well, not better but another one http://headmap.org:8000/wishamatic.html
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2003-06-08 12:20:13 |
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whoops, wrong link, just a sec
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2003-06-08 12:20:20 |
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http://headmap.org:8000/searcher?name=sars&style=globe
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2003-06-08 12:20:31 |
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this is a vanilla rss scraper that uses brute force methods to geotag peoples blog entries... you can ask it questions...
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2003-06-08 12:20:54 |
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for example to find all blog articles on sars and to find where the authors are writing from...
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2003-06-08 12:21:11 |
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to simplify this conceptually...
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2003-06-08 12:21:32 |
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you write stuff about things you think are interesting on your own site...
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2003-06-08 12:21:41 |
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because your knowledge is organized in a reasonable way (RSS - being the organizing notation)
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2003-06-08 12:21:56 |
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services like mikels and other peoples can organize and present that knowledge
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2003-06-08 12:22:08 |
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one could imagine practical services such as people posting that they want friends, or have lost kittens, or have a lawnmower for sale....
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2003-06-08 12:22:33 |
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and then services could wire together people with complementary interests...
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2003-06-08 12:22:43 |
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...
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2003-06-08 12:23:21 |
| eekim |
I agree with your thinking. I have a hard time believing that there are a lot of people that have a problem with this view. (044)
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2003-06-08 12:24:30 |
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At least people at this conference.
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2003-06-08 12:24:36 |
| anselm3 |
but we're not presenting. (045)
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2003-06-08 12:24:45 |
| eekim |
Have you been to the Assembler Room? (046)
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2003-06-08 12:24:55 |
| anselm3 |
yes, i think there is a lot of good collaboration going on. (047)
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2003-06-08 12:25:17 |
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i am getting a lot out of the conf - i was here in 2000 as well
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2003-06-08 12:25:37 |
| eekim |
I've been camped out here for most of the weekend. I think this is where it's at. (048)
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2003-06-08 12:25:37 |
| anselm3 |
oh cool (049)
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2003-06-08 12:25:42 |
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where are you now?
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2003-06-08 12:25:50 |
| eekim |
In the Assembler Room. (050)
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2003-06-08 12:25:56 |
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People at this conference have a voice, and that voice is being captured.
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2003-06-08 12:26:04 |
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By "people", I mean
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2003-06-08 12:26:10 |
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"participants"
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2003-06-08 12:26:13 |
| anselm3 |
perhaps i am ~slightly~ grumpy because i asked to speak and there did not seem to be an opportunity to do that. (051)
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2003-06-08 12:27:38 |
| mikel |
i think i saw john muir (052)
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2003-06-08 12:28:35 |
| anselm3 |
nevertheless i am so impressed by the ease with which services like mikels can do what he does. (053)
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2003-06-08 12:28:47 |
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mikel - where is your flash app btw?
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2003-06-08 12:29:35 |
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i have the new code on the server ready to go
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2003-06-08 12:29:47 |
| mikel |
cool (054)
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2003-06-08 12:31:02 |
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it's at /home/mikel/worldkit/
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2003-06-08 12:31:11 |
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where can i put it, for http
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2003-06-08 12:31:21 |
| anselm3 |
here it comes!!!! yay!!! (055)
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2003-06-08 12:31:21 |
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i'll move it
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2003-06-08 12:31:29 |
| mikel |
will need to edit config.xml (056)
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2003-06-08 12:31:39 |
| anselm3 |
(so excited to see Ben doing his demo!) (057)
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2003-06-08 12:31:46 |
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eekim you should see this - i am sure ben showed it to you earlier if you were dnstairs.. but...
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2003-06-08 12:32:24 |
| mikel |
how can he be so generous?! (058)
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2003-06-08 12:32:48 |
| anselm3 |
u mean free? (059)
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2003-06-08 12:33:43 |
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grants and angel funding
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2003-06-08 12:33:52 |
| eekim |
Where is Ben doing his demo? (060)
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2003-06-08 12:33:55 |
| anselm3 |
but fundamentally it is such important work. (061)
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2003-06-08 12:34:00 |
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main hall - hurry
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2003-06-08 12:34:03 |
| eekim |
I'm on my way. (062)
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2003-06-08 12:34:09 |
| anselm3 |
interesting thing is that after all of the wanking over the years... ben is the only guy still standing. (063)
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2003-06-08 12:42:26 |
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it shows the power of the open source model
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2003-06-08 12:42:32 |
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amazing to think he had to fight to get a chance to speak
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2003-06-08 12:43:26 |
| eekim |
Very cool demo. (064)
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2003-06-08 12:45:06 |
| anselm3 |
yes (065)
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2003-06-08 12:45:21 |
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he is best of breed
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2003-06-08 12:45:32 |
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you know that he's chosen to do this all free - fund it mostly himself and really made a life decision to just make this work...
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2003-06-08 12:45:53 |
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he is a lot like many geeks i know;
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2003-06-08 12:46:09 |
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they see something that in and of itself has such fundamental merit that it becomes an imperative.
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2003-06-08 12:46:33 |
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| zool |
yikes, do i have the right channel here? :) (066)
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2003-06-08 14:27:30 |
| Jay |
are you looking for planetwork? (067)
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2003-06-08 14:31:20 |
| zool |
reading blogs and logs, good to listen to anselm earlier; sounds like the whole thing perhaps not what i've had expected from it (068)
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2003-06-08 14:34:45 |
| Jay |
you are reading the blog posts of the conference? (069)
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2003-06-08 14:39:53 |
| zool |
skimming through, yeah, some of the trackbacks from http://2003conf.planetworkers.org/ (070)
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2003-06-08 14:45:08 |
| Jay |
plogger, speak. I command you: (071)
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2003-06-08 14:57:58 |
| mmell |
hi plogger (072)
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2003-06-08 15:14:32 |
| jonl |
Hello. (073)
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2003-06-08 15:53:34 |
| Jay |
plogger? (074)
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2003-06-08 16:28:32 |
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whew, I was worried that wasn't happening
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2003-06-08 16:28:51 |
| jonl |
God, I'd hate to miss someting like that. (075)
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2003-06-08 16:43:51 |
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| anselm2 |
till we meet again... (076)
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2003-06-08 22:53:49 |
